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New Bathroom Rule: It’s Worse Than We Thought

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Last week, news broke about a new rule passed by the Washington State Human Rights Commission creating a statewide mandate that businesses must allow men into women’s bathrooms and locker rooms if they say they are a woman.

But as details have become available, it appears the final version of the rule is actually worse than the proposed rule. Here are some of the “highlights”:

  1. Mandate on Schools as Well as Businesses

While the draft rule imposed a mandate on every business in the state, it provided discretion for schools to deal with each case on a case-by-case basis.

However, the final rule removed any discretion for school officials and mandates that all schools must allow boys into the girl’s locker room if they claim to be a girl.

  1. Women will be removed from the women’s restroom. Naked men will not.

The rule states that it is illegal to ask someone who is confused about their gender to use a separate facility for the benefit of women and children who might be uncomfortable.

However, once a man begins to undress in the women’s locker room a person who “expresses concern or discomfort…should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility.”

So, all you women who are uncomfortable with the naked guy over there, “Please come with me and leave him alone.”

  1. The rule bans lots of speech

In addition to prohibiting reasonable accommodations that recognize the public’s right to privacy along with the bathroom needs of the transgendered, this rule targets a wide range of speech.

It is illegal to ask “unwelcome personal questions about an individual’s sexual orientation, gender expression or gender identity, or transgender status.”

The commission provides no guidance to the public about how they are supposed to know which questions are unwelcome before they ask them.

It is also illegal for a business to deliberately “misuse” someone’s preferred pronoun. If a man believes he is a woman, but you refer to him as a “he” anyway, he can sue you.

However, you should be careful not to ask questions about which pronoun he prefers. Remember, if that’s an “unwelcome question” he can sue you for that.

It is also now illegal to use “offensive names, slurs, jokes, or terminology regarding an individual’s sexual orientation or gender expression or gender identity.”

The fact that “offensive” is an undefined and completely subjective term that provides no guidance to the public about what they can and cannot do is apparently lost on the commission.

The best advice may be to just stop speaking. As we all know, someone is offended by everything.


WATCH: Joseph Backholm answers some FAQ’s on the new bathroom policy

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Frequently Asked Questions

As the public wrestles with how to respond to this, here are some of the most frequent questions we have been asked in the last few days.

1.  Is this really true?

Very few other media outlets have covered this story. That has led a lot of people to wonder if there isn’t some kind of mistake. Sadly, there is no mistake. Other news outlets have began to cover the story here, here, and here.

2. What will happen if I violate this rule?

The Human Rights Commission has the authority to issue fines and create a range of orders intended to “eliminate the effects of an unfair practice and prevent the recurrence of the unfair practice.”

The rule specifically states that businesses and schools open themselves up to civil liability for violations of any of their new rules.

3. Who made this rule anyway?

The Washington State Human Rights Commission was created to help enforce the Washington State Law Against Discrimination. There are five members who are appointed by the Governor and are not subject to election. You can find them here.

While rule-making authority is frequently delegated to agencies for the purpose of enforcing laws the legislature passes, the concern is that a policy of this magnitude and scope far exceeds what the legislature intended or the public expected when the non-discrimination law was passed.

4.  What can I do?

While the Human Rights Commission has authority delegated to it by the legislature, the legislature has the authority and responsibility to correct mistakes made by agencies or commissions.

You can contact your legislators through the legislative hotline at 1-800-562-6000 or email them all at one time by clicking here.  If we know your address, this tool allow you to email them all at once.

5.  Isn’t this outrage just much ado about nothing?

If you believe a rule of this kind would never be exploited by people with bad intentions, simply search for Jason Pomares, Norwood Smith Burnes, or Taylor Buehler on the search engine of your choice.

Burnes exposed himself to children in a Walmart restroom in 2010 while Pomares dressed as a woman and snuck into a Macy’s bathroom to videotape women in 2013.  Buehler wore a bra and wig and slipped into a bathroom and locker room in 2012 to watch women at Everett Community College. All three men were arrested.

In addition, Christopher Hambrook sexually assaulted multiple women in a Toronto women’s shelter while “identifying” as a woman.

Sexual predators look for opportunity. This provides it.

UPDATE: Click here to see Governor Jay Inslee’s response to the Human Rights Commission’s bathroom rule.

Everything we do is made possible by friends like you.  If you can chip in $5 or more to help restore rational bathroom policies, we’d be grateful.

195 replies
  1. Roger
    Roger says:

    Six Flag Corporate office sent a memo today telling employees it okay for men to use womens restrooms and women to use men. This is just crazy. Six Flags is supposed to be a family park.

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  2. Teresa Barnhardt
    Teresa Barnhardt says:

    Coming from a North Carolinian, this has quickly been made into a Federal issue where one doesn’t belong and if North Carolina doesn’t give in to the strong arm tactics of the Obama administration within 4 days, we stand to lose almost $1 billion in federal funding for education. We have already lost over $500 million in economic resources due to boycotts over the LGTB-Bathroom decision. Why don’t the taxpayers of NC have a say so in this? People are ignorant to the actual effects this will have on our state. It’s all about equality. Why don’t they understand what’s equality for a small group of people, may have a devastating impact on society that will change the world as we know it; despite all efforts, we will never be able to return to the pre-ruling era no matter what changes are made.

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  3. Rachel
    Rachel says:

    This law is by far determined by state mandate and not federal/national. I would dare say, until it is a nationwide law, we have to wait and see if there is a RISE in sexual assaults in bathrooms and locker rooms once it is widespread. Plus, how many sex offenders be acquitted from charges because they claim to be transgender? Please not, I am NOT equating transgenders to sex offenders. What I’m saying is, I think there’s a strong possibility that more and more registered sex offenders will take advantage of the system than they already do.

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  4. Amanda
    Amanda says:

    So what you’re saying is, that even without this law, perverts ignored a bathroom sign and went in and exposed themselves? So that point is pretty much moot. Dumbass.

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    • Mary Lewis
      Mary Lewis says:

      What he is saying is there’s already an issue with sexual offenders who have used such facilities and dress to abuse innocent people. Allowing it to go unquestioned allowed free will of those criminals to continue these actions while inviting so many others to do the same.

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  5. Toots
    Toots says:

    No one in the trans activist community ever ever considers the rights & emotional well being of girls & women. Trans women (MEN) say they are the most oppressed people talk while in reality they are oppressing women and girls. No one is thinking about the 1 in 4 young girls who are sex abuse and/or rape victims who science says suffer PTSD on same level seen in Vietnam Vets and that these girls “never feel safe”. So its ok to further traumatize these girls suffering from severe PTSD (not to mention the 1 in 9 women who have been raped) by allowing boys and men to use female bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. Because men who say they “feel” like women (which isnt even possible) are the priority. It’s just male misogyny cloaked as a social justice cause. It’s all abt them. It has characyeristics of a cult & if you don’t buy the BS they are selling you are labeled “Transphobic” “Bigot” “Murderer” etc. They say ba ies arent born male or female…that they are assigned their sex by doctors. Science & biology do not exist in their cult think. They tell us “penises are female”, that the word “Vagina” is transphobic, they force American Midwives Association to stop saying “pregant woman” & instead say “pregnant person”. They deny that Autogynephiia is real, that Gender Dysporia is a mental issue, and they are brainwashing children into their cult by using Transgenderism as gay conversion therapy. They are pushing for so-called trans children (according to science most actually grow up to be gay not trans) And now our tax dollars are going to pay for the mutilation of perfectly healthy & funcioning bodies. Medicare & Medicaid no both cover SRS surgery and hormones. No amouny of surgery or hormones has ever ever changed a Man into a Woman. Never! Liking certain things, liking certain clothes, having long hair, and wearing makeup do NOT make a Man a Woman.

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    • L
      L says:

      DNA don’t lie!
      LBGTQ is a lie!
      It is a mental/spiritual confusion problem. Before the 1960’s when the drugs swept into our young people it was considered a mental problem! Why?… because it goes against nature . Mutation of the body will not Change DNA!

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      • Angela
        Angela says:

        I didn’t think society could get any worse until i saw these horrible comments. Why would someone choose to be transgender? Do you think they just do it for laughs? Transgender people get killed daily and people still think it’s a choice! There has never been a report of a trans person assaulting someone in a bathroom, but i can tell you there are thousands of reports of trans people being assaulted. Why do you think they’d go to that much trouble just to get a look at someone. They honestly just need to pee!

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        • R.O.
          R.O. says:

          I didn’t think society could get as immoral as it is today. You are living in sin and you need Jesus as your savior to get you on the right path. There is a heaven and a hell and each one of us will stand in front of the Lord for judgment. I pray you make the changes you need to make because homosexiality and the Transgender is a sin.

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        • Anita
          Anita says:

          Well, you are lying, Angela. There are plenty of reports of transgendered people assaulting people in bathrooms, 3 names are given above, just 3, but there are many more. Here are more in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ all info compiled from local newscasts. Women are 53% of the population globally and we are assaulted, raped and killed at the hands of males perpetuating male violence EVERY SINGLE SECOND of every single day. You don’t take the rights of many away and give them to a few people. I am speaking of safe spaces. I have no issue with transgendered people or the trans movement or the gay movement, etc. Women’s rights and the rights of our children in numbers affect way more people than the transgendered community. Sexual predators are hiding behind these new laws, it gives them direct access to us and to kids. You can believe that or not, but it is fact.

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  6. Margana
    Margana says:

    I feel I’m unlikely to get a reply, as I have not on Facebook, but I don’t understand your claims. I read the rule and as I understood it, the prohibitive language and questions apply to employers and doesn’t pertain to the public accommodations portion of the rule. As for safety, there’s a lot of perceived as opposed to actual risk. Many states have implemented rules similar to ours and I have yet to find research showing an increase in sexual assaults.

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  7. st
    st says:

    Why can’t we just make everyone happy and comfortable and be “politically Correct” and make every place of business have four different bathrooms. Women, Men, Transgender Men, Transgender women!! If the transgender people get offended because they are singled out and get their own bathroom oh well! That is what you are no since in being ashamed of it, and trying to hide in the womens or mens bathroom.

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    • Mary Lewis
      Mary Lewis says:

      Here here. I have been asking the same thing. Everyone is entitled to feel safe. EVERYONE. By someone saying they are a certain gender on grounds that they feel as such, actually discriminates against those who agree with their birth sex. Simply allow for four restrooms five restrooms heck I don’t care how many different kinds but keep in mind I as a woman born as such, I have rights too. Allowing this to take place takes many many of our rights away.. people please understand it is bigger than just this one issue. This is a test or stepping stone for much bigger, sinister plans to happen. Little by little step by step.

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  8. Jenny Sanchez
    Jenny Sanchez says:

    Thank you so much for giving us information without sarcasm or arrogance when it would be so natural to resort to those.

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  9. Zachary Davidson
    Zachary Davidson says:

    I guess freedom of speech is out the window. I also guess people are buying into the gender identity BS. Sex is biological. Sex is not about how you feel. Sex is not about what you think you should be. It’s biology and goes no further than that. Let em arrest you for saying something or refusing to leave because you’re offended. NO Man should be in a woman’s bathroom or locker room. And if you’re arrested for what you say, that’s a violation of your constitutional freedom of speech. Take that to the supreme court if you have to. I’m proud I do not live in Washington state.

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  10. Opal
    Opal says:

    I find this argument to be lacking in scope or understanding of the bigger issue. While we are considering this as a fear tactic or imposition of decency or privacy we should look at what matters. What matters is our children and individuals that are going through the violence of what impeding space creates that which is a very real issue that continues to grow in our world as population increases. Consider this, a child is born with special needs the child is then provide space to be accommodated with that space with those resources in school, public spaces, etc… the list can go on as to those spaces that are accommodated. This was the American Disabilities Act and it was created across the land to provide those rights for people that had special needs. Do we think that intersex or transgender, or people that fit under other protections should be discriminated against? I would hope that as a society in Washington that we would be a bit more enlightened than other places. This is not about men in dresses or women in pants or is it?! The rule was created to put in place a conscious attempt to protect our children that are going through these very issues. So instead of standing by and helping them discover themselves we rule by fighting about biology in the bathroom. Gender is a construct in a Culture or cult that identifies people into categories go to pbs http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/two-spirits/ and look at what happens when a culture any culture discriminates against what it see’s as outside its accepted genders. We the people should never stand for this kind of violence or discrimination of any kind across religious or cultural bias. Yes there might be older people who are expressing their gender, and they might be in your bathroom or changing space and or other spaces. This said across the vast majority of them they are there to change and be inclusive into the space their heart sings to. Consider that if the rule is fear and hate then that older person i.e. adult and may be affected by the very presence of old trauma and childhood abuses that the person has gone through. They are there now as you see them because they are trying to work out who they are after all they were never allowed to organically discover that or were told that because their body was this gender that they are this. You might consider this confusion and it is but it’s imposed by the very society confuses the issue. Please watch the movie if you can or read up on the issue it might very well effect everyone to understand that we are more than just Men Or Women and that being male or female has very little to do with it.

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    • Ss
      Ss says:

      No. You are confused. Your sex is a matter of biology. You obviously have never been sexually abused. I have. Therefore I would like protection of my rights concerning PTSD.

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      • Opal
        Opal says:

        Sex is a matter of biology… The brain happens to be the largest sex organ there is. Consider this… Lh and fsh both spike as the gonads spike each cycle. As for your PTSD it is protected under the Ada act.

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        • Outraged
          Outraged says:

          Are you completely insane? And this is coming from one of those young girls! Do you have absolutely no idea how terrifying it would be to be changing, and then see a full grown man enter? I usually would wait for a change room anyways, without the man in the room! Can you not see that this would completely ruin the lives of more than half the women and children on the planet?

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          • tara
            tara says:

            i don’t think you understand how this works. with laws like this, you would be more likely to see a female to male trans person who may look like “a full grown man” in the ladies room. you probably go to the bathroom with male to female trans people all the time and don’t notice, bc they look more like women than most women you know. just bc this website alleges that a 14 year old girl in a locker room may encountered an aroused man… yeah, when has that even happened? i challenge you to research statistics on how many bathroom sexual assaults by trans people have ever even taken place…

    • CL
      CL says:

      Please stop appropriating our native culture by trying to misrepresent us to push your false agenda. harry hay, a white homosexual NAMBLA child molester advocate. the father of the homosexual movement, invented the “two spirit” new age fraud to try to justify degeneracy using our culture. Sick. Then in 1999 at a homosexual activist conference in Winnipeg, they invented this whole “two-spirit” myth in more falseness with the admitted objective of forcing tribes to assimilate and accept this, which has never been a tradition of ours, no matter what the homosexual anthropologists make up and manipulate and distort. I have debunked their BS over and over. So have others. They get some lesbian messed up sell out tribal member to say “Our elders said this” when there is NOTHING to back that up.

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  11. Bonnie
    Bonnie says:

    Please lead us to the sign in BEFORE we waste time writing a comment which we then lose . This problem has needed to be corrected since the Internet started . Anyone agree?

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    • Melissa Batson
      Melissa Batson says:

      I find it interesting that Norwood Burnes was in Calhoun Georgia when he exposed himself in the Walmart Bathroom. Neither Georgia or Calhoun have a law protecting the rights for transgender persons. So, they have a legal structure like the one you want in Washington where a person must use the restroom that is consistent with His or her biological sex. Yet, a pervert put on women’s clothing and went into a women’s restroom to commit an illegal act.

      Pervert will do what a pervert will do and there is no law, including the ones introduced last week, that will stop them.

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      • SMH
        SMH says:

        Well, in GA he was arrested and stopped from doing it again. A perv in WA can indulge himself to his heart’s content.

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    • Mik Burns
      Mik Burns says:

      Hi I am a transgender man. I will be using men’s restrooms from now on because it is finally my legal right. I DARE you to try to forcibly remove me.

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      • Nice Try
        Nice Try says:

        Wow. Sounds like your life goal has been achieved. Good luck defending yourself in front of real men who not only won’t tolerate you, but will probably vomit on you in the process of kicking you out of the men’s room.

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  12. Lauren
    Lauren says:

    Aside from the fact that transgender laws and ordinances like this have never led to a spike in sexual assaults or otherwise enabled the scores of sexual predators put off by a ‘sign’.. the basic argument against transgender bathroom access doesn’t make logical sense once you think this through.

    Specifically, if you are worried about a ‘man’ being in the women’s restroom or locker room, then even when you make a law that states you must use the bathroom of your birth sex, it doesn’t stop you from being able to detect a predator in the room. Instead of the theory that a male predator would masquerade as a transgender woman, all they have to do now, by the same flawed theory, is masquerade as a transgender man because either way nobody is going to check the contents of your underwear.

    If you want to be transphobic then fine. But it is illogical and stupid to think that transgender bathroom ordinances put women at risk. Please people.. think this through..

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    • rls0054
      rls0054 says:

      Thinking this through…I was at public swimming facility for swimming lessons with my granddaughters this last week and in the women’s changing/showering “locker room,” there were girls and women of ALL ages dressing and undressing into and out of their swim wear. If a “man” were to come into that room and begin doing the same (or doing nothing at all!), I would be horrified as I would hope anyone with any kind of decency would. My granddaughters ought not have their right to privacy violated because of runaway administrative law that cares nothing about anyone other than a few in a select, “protected class”. This is all about an agenda and Washington seems to think it needs to be at the forefront of this insanity…

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      • GUEST
        GUEST says:

        WHAT NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND ,TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD TAKE OFF THEIR CLOTHS IN FRONT OF ANYONE! THEY ARE VERY PRIVATE PEOPLE,THEY MAY HAVE BEEN BORN IN A MALE BODY ,BUT THEIR BRAIN IS FEMALE,THE SAME WITH A BABY BORN AS A GIRL AND IDENTIFIES AS MALE ,AND SHE HAS NO EQUIPMENT TO DO ANY THING TO ANY ONE ,SHE MAY LOOK LIKE A GIRL BUT SHE THINKS LIKE A GUY! THEY ARE NOT CONFESED ,THEY WERE BORN IN THE WRONG BODY ! JUST LIKE “INTERSEX” BABIES ARE BORN WITH BOTH! SOME WOMEN ARE BORN AS A FEMALE ,BUT WITHOUT A UTERUS! THEIR HAVE BEEN BABIES BORN WITH THE FEMALE ORGANS AND LOOKS NORMAL ,BUT HAS MALE SEX ORGANS INSIDE!

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        • Lee Gilbert
          Lee Gilbert says:

          Drivel. Madness. There are no transgendered women, there are only feminized men. A man may have been castrated, given breast implants, had a penectomy and been given a “neo-vagina” i.e. inverted scrotum minus testes. He is still a man. He still has the male chromosomes, bone structure, vocal cords. He still has a prostate gland. He has no uterus, no ovaries.

          He may dress in women’s clothes, too, but none of this makes him a woman, either physically or psychologically. He is simply living a lie, which goes a long way toward explaining the high suicide rate among feminized men. Sooner or later his pretense must give way to the fact that he has been severely mutilated, that he is not living in touch with reality, that he has been deceived by the so-called culture of our times.

          Such is the “compassion” we show to such people in indulging their illusions. How is it compassionate to lead young men down the primrose path to self-destruction, hmmm?

          Surely, in a more sane moral environment this would be the reasonable basis for multiple mal-practice suits against surgeons, psychiatrists, counsellors, etc..

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      • swrl
        swrl says:

        Because walking into a room without even having to change your appearance (since a transgender man would be forced to use the women’s room if sex-based regulations went into place) and saying you have a vagina if anyone challenges you is way easier than pretending to be a trans woman. Who’s going to check? If a bunch of trans men started using women’s bathrooms, they’d either have to institute a new law saying you couldn’t discriminate against people who look like men entering the women’s bathroom (forcing someone to essentially be strip searched every time they pee is pretty discriminatory), giving an even bigger loophole for all these predators allegedly waiting around the corner, or leave trans men out to dry without ever having a viable place to use a bathroom in public (thereby showing exactly how much these people, and I quote, “sympathize with individuals who struggle with gender dysphoria”).

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      • Christine
        Christine says:

        I am a post op female and our children come first I did not use the female restrooms or dressing rooms until I had surgery

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        • Malia
          Malia says:

          Must be nice – not everyone has the luxury (or desire) to even have the operation! So, basically, I’m confused what you think those people should do?

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  13. Katie Nunle
    Katie Nunle says:

    As a woman, I absolutely do NOT want a man using the same bathroom I am using as myself and my young daughter are using it. Has this world gone completely mad?? If you were not born with lady parts, you do NOT belong in the ladies bathroom, period. I don’t care if you think you’re a woman or if you wish you were a woman, If you weren’t born with lady parts then you are NOT a woman and you never will be no matter how many modern day surgeries you have. If you think you are of the opposite sex, I would strongly suggest seeking a professional psychiatrist who will tell you the truth, not someone who will coddle your fantasies.

    I think I speak for the majority (not all obviously) of women when I say, we don’t want MEN in our bathrooms and we certainly don’t want a law that will protect men and not us! This is dangerous ground and setting us up for easy sexual assaults from predators who will abuse this. If I ever see a man in my bathroom, dressed like a woman or not, HE will get an earful! Totally ridiculous. #gofindatree #womendeservebetter #womenhaverightstoo #protectwomen #protectourdaughters #nomeninwomensbathrooms

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    • Amanda
      Amanda says:

      You’re already peeing next to trans women and you didn’t even know it!

      Zero incidents in over 200 cities. However, 30 trans women were killed for being themselves.

      Oh yeah, your ridiculous viewpoint is going to put muscular, bearded, tattooed trans MEN “back in the ladies room where they belong” with all of their testosterone and everything. So instead of peeing next to quiet, courteous trans women, you will be peeing with hairy trans men!

      Better think twice about your bigotry!!!!

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    • GUEST
      GUEST says:

      WHY DON’T YOU TELL THAT TO THE MILLIONS OF FAMILIES WITH TRANSGENDER BABIES BEING BORN ,I HAVE A TRANSGENDER CHILD AND I CAN TELL YOU ,IT IS NOT A LIFE CHOICE OR BEING CONFUSED! READ ,LEARN BEFORE YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK AS STUPID AS YOUR STTEMENT ,AND LET ME SAY THIS ,I RAISED 4 KIDS ON MY OWN AND WORKED 60 HOUR WEEKS TO SURVIVE! FOR YEARS I HAD TO ENCOUNTER WOMEN SO CRAZY THAT THEY WOULD BRING 10 YEAR OLD BOYS IN THE LADIES ROOM ,AND WE WOMEN HAD TO ENDURE THESE BOYS PEEKING INTO THE STALLS WHILE WE WERE GOING ! SO TRANSGENDER PEOPLE WHO USE THE RESTROOMS OF THE GENDER THEY IDENTIFY WITH ,HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER DO ANY KIND OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR TO ANYONE AS THEY ARE VERY PRIVATE PEOPLE,AND THEY DON’T THINK LIKE THAT! IF ANYTHING THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE PROTECTED!

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      • Outraged
        Outraged says:

        Most or us are worried about both trans gender people and predators. The trans gender people will make us feel uncomfortable and wonder whether they are actually transgender, or if they are faking. That is what we’re worried about. That is why we don’t support this. And honestly, caps isn’t gonna get your point across.

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      • SMH
        SMH says:

        Enough already with the all caps. Shouting doesn’t make you any more right and puts people off even trying to read your rant.

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  14. Matt
    Matt says:

    If you force people to use the bathroom of your birth gender it means transmen will be forced to use the women’s restrooms. Which will probably make most women feel uncomfortable – see link –

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transmen+bathroom&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1h4-xn5_KAhWBPxoKHbmxCd4Q_AUIBygB&biw=1072&bih=499#imgdii=6SB-0DS2EA-ySM%3A%3B6SB-0DS2EA-ySM%3A%3BMeQ0tCONShFtzM%3A&imgrc=6SB-0DS2EA-ySM%3A

    Surely common sense is to use the bathroom as per the gender you are presenting at the time. I think a little more sensitivity and support is the Christian way, don’t forget that Trans people have the highest suicide rates, with 40% attempting. Perhaps if people were more accepting this would be lower and also the need for humans rights groups to push for legislation would not be deemed necessary. I doubt history will look kindly on this type of article.

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    • Joseph Backholm
      Joseph Backholm says:

      The concern is not that a transgender person might use the bathroom of the gender they identify with . The concern is that the state would make private areas accessible to anyone simply by declaring themselves to be a particular gender.

      Clearly society is already working this out, but this mandate that ignores the many, obvious ways a law like this can be exploited by people with bad intentions and makes it illegal for people to use common sense to act in the best interest of the public.

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      • Amy
        Amy says:

        I believe the cases of abuse of transgender people out number the instances of men dressing up like women to enter the women’s bathroom and accost women. Also, those men did this before this law was enacted, thereby the law is irrelevant to those cases of abuse. (In other words, abusive men will still find a way to sneak into women’s rooms, whether or not there is also allowing transgender people to use the restroom of their choice.”

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    • Michelle
      Michelle says:

      If a trans-gender individual has completed all surgeries needed to make a complete physical change then they should go to the restroom of their physical body. However, we do NOT want someone who thinks they are a trans-gender but have not changed their physical body to go to the restroom that does not match their physical body. Common sense people.

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      • Malia
        Malia says:

        yeah, common sense! like, if you haven’t had an operation you still simply “think” your trans. hah, you’re so obviously thick skulled is even making my head hurt.

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  15. K.C.Kwong
    K.C.Kwong says:

    The Bathroom Rule has far reaching impact on the whole society. It is unreasonable not to consult the public beforehand. To protect the rights of a small group of transgender people by taking away the rights of the majority non-transgender people is unreasonable.

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  16. Julia
    Julia says:

    This article is misleading. It misunderstands the purpose and authority of the commission, which has existed since 1949, and actually holds the commission responsible for private litigation, which can proceed without any permission from it (http://www.washingtonworkplacelaw.com/back-to-basics/back-to-basics-what-is-the-washington-human-rights-commission/). These gross factual errors can be seen by anyone who reads the single PDF cited. These new *interpretations* cover workplace discrimination. Nothing is made illegal that has not been illegal before, because these new “rules” are not new. The commission makes interpretations of existing law and acts as a gatekeeper for workplace discrimination complaints. If someone thinks they have been discriminated against, they complain to the commission, and the commission can hold a hearing. People who think that this commission is making new rules need to read the first section in the PDF to recognize that the new material are *guidelines* that are put in place because of law that already exists. You all who want to demonize the commission are fighting the wrong thing.

    In addition, it is disheartening to hear Christians here in the comments section use a western interpretation of sex and gender, completely ignoring the fact that the majority of human beings on this planet hold different views. This is intolerance masked as love. Perhaps you folks should read up on contemporary literature about trans people, and stop imperiously deciding for others what their bodies mean. Because you are embarrassingly mistaken, and are acting quite unlike your Christ.

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    • Julia
      Julia says:

      …and the pages that refer to places of public accommodation don’t prohibit speech. They say that harassment upon gender identity terms constitutes a violation of anti-discrimination law. Yes, deliberately misusing pronouns and deadnames is a form of harassment, especially when it comes to people who have gender dysphoria. You are free to harass others, but in the US, your freedoms can cost you a lot of money if you cause damage.

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    • Chok
      Chok says:

      Interpretations when putting into statues are legislative provisions. So these are new laws. Gender expression is extremely dangerous category as people could change their gender whenever they like. This is autocratic minority dictatorship! Mind you that this is a social matter not Christians only! Christ imposed standards. Doing what people like without considering other feelings are abuses of discrimination claims.

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    • Norm
      Norm says:

      Julia, I am quite certain that the majority of human beings on this planet–particularly in the third world–do not accept transgenderism as a legitimate expression of a person’s sexuality. There’s clearly no cultural solution that works for everyone, that everyone finds acceptable–just ask the pedophiles what they think bathroom/locker room rules should be–so how about we go with the policy that works for the majority of human beings on this planet? This idea of a male/female gender binary arrangement is not specifically Christian or western. You will find it throughout all cultures and all time periods with very few examples of anything else existing alongside it. Across time and place, when a baby with a penis has been born, it is considered male, and a baby with a vagina is considered female. Most of us have no problem with that. The vast majority. Regardless of religious persuasion. It is a perfectly reasonable position to take biologically, sociologically, culturally, and politically. Maybe you should stop imperiously imposing your values; you are embarrassingly mistaken.

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      • WiccanWoman
        WiccanWoman says:

        “. . . Across time and place, when a baby with a penis has been born, it is considered male, and a baby with a vagina is considered female. . . ”

        And if a baby is born with both… or neither? It does happen. What then?

        Science has found that these simple outward biological signs should not necessarily be the only gauge for gender. There are numerous true medical conditions that exist, and that have existed for many generations, but “back in the day” such children were locked away at home or in institutions as being “abnormal” creatures. Now there are explanations, answers, reasons. They are human beings with enough trouble “defining” themselves, not knowing which box to check when a form asks “male or female”. At least acknowledge these folks exist, and their struggles are real. We’ve learned that it’s not as easy as saying “you were born with a penis, so you are male.” It’s just NOT.

        http://www.isna.org/faq/printable

        https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001669.htm

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      • WiccanWoman
        WiccanWoman says:

        “. . . Across time and place, when a baby with a penis has been born, it is considered male, and a baby with a vagina is considered female. . . ”

        And if a baby is born with both… or neither? It does happen. What then?

        Science has found that these simple outward biological signs should not necessarily be the only gauge for gender. There are numerous true medical conditions that exist, and that have existed for many generations, but “back in the day” such children were locked away at home or in institutions as being “abnormal” creatures. Now there are explanations, answers, reasons. They are human beings with enough trouble “defining” themselves, not knowing which box to check when a form asks “male or female”. At least acknowledge these folks exist, and their struggles are real. We’ve learned that it’s not as easy as saying “you were born with a penis, so you are male.” It’s just NOT.

        (I had provided links that would have taken you to names and details of those medical conditions, but that post was deleted. I hope after removal of those links, this one gets through.)

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    • Michelle
      Michelle says:

      Yes, blame it all on Christians when all they want is to go to restroom without having to worry about someone of the opposite sex being inside the restroom. Loving a trans-gender individual is a completely different issue than my daughter going into a restroom and a man is in there at the same time. Or my son going into the men’s restroom and a woman is in there at the same time. My children deserve to be protected from this embarrassing and awkward situation. If an individual is physically a male they should go to the men’s restroom, if an individual is physically a female than they should go to the women’s restroom. Pretty simple.

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  17. Chris Webber
    Chris Webber says:

    The loony left has thrown women and girls under the bus. As a husband and father of two girls, this enrages me about one notch lower than jihad in our streets. The reasonable people of the State of Washington need to put forth a ballot measure to remove this so-called human rights commission and nullify everything they have ever done. They are 100% unconstitutional. They INCORRECTLY have the power to hand out criminal convictions and punishment. That’s what a “jury of your peers” is empowered with, and only them. Not left-wing zealots given a title by the state, and no due process of law.

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    • Michelle
      Michelle says:

      COMPLETELY AGREE!! Who has the time or inclination to think up the ridiculous laws that literally involve .25 percent of the Washington State population? A friend of mine has a trans-gender individual in their family. This individual goes to the restroom that their current physical body represents. Common sense is seriously lacking in the people that make up the human rights commission. WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE 99.75 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THAT MAKES UP THE REST OF WASHINGTON STATE!!??

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    • ELJAY
      ELJAY says:

      TOO MUCH STATIC WHEN THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE : INSTALL.SEVERAL..SINGLE, UNISEX BATHROOMS WITH A GOOD LOCK ON THE INSIDE ….SAME FOR LOCKER ROOMS…..INSTALL CHANGING BOOTHS WITH LOCKS LIKE MOST PUBLIC BATHROOMS P HAVE NOW…..THAT WAY EVERYONE CAN BE WHOM THEY WISH .

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  18. Melissa
    Melissa says:

    My issue with this isnt about transgender being able to use the bathrooms/locker rooms etc of the gender they identify with. In fact, most transgender who are still transitioning want more privacy as they are uncomfortable with the way their bodies still look. My problem is girls in middle school and high school are uncomfortable changing for PE in front of other girls. If a guy should decide to use the girls locker room because he knows no one can tell him to leave, are the girls going to get written up for refusing to dress down? Are they going to get into trouble with the school and/or law because they express a problem with the guy being in there? What about schools that still require swimming? Are we really to expect our teenagers to be comfortable changing in and out of swimsuits when a guy can walk in at any time because the law says he can and no one can question why hes there? Public bathrooms…I could honestly care less because 1. we dont change our clothes in there 2. there are stalls to protect kids from seeing adults and vice versa and 3. I, as a parent, can be in there to protect my kids from any perv who thinks hes going to try anything. I cant be at the schools to hold up a curtain every time my kids need to change. My kids have feelings and rights too! Do those not matter anymore?

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    • Carol
      Carol says:

      How do we know you are not just some pervert trying to show off your equipment, so you can get your kicks? When does this change to molestation to the single people left in the room with you, even if it is a public place? Where is the common sense to this?? CrAzY!!!!

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    • swrl
      swrl says:

      It’d probably be much harder than you suggest. First of all, at a school, people know you, and they’d know whether or not you’d been presenting as female before. No teenage boy is going to be able to just walk up and pretend to be trans for ten minutes, people will see right through that. Most trans people who have just started presenting as their gender are too nervous to even set foot in a bathroom. If someone showed up dressed as a girl for only the short amount of time required to go change for PE, that’s an immediate red flag. And imagine the treatment you’d get if your classmates all saw you present as female, even just for that short period of time. High schools haven’t gotten a whole lot better.

      Don’t expect that schools will just allow people into different locker rooms, either. A lot of outlawed discrimination happens anyway and gets challenged afterwards. As for your concerns about expressing discomfort: the others in the locker room wouldn’t be violating anything by doing that, they’d even be provided a separate area (single stall bathroom, maybe?) for changing. In my experience, some people changed in the locker room stalls anyway for more privacy, so that’s an option too.

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      • Michelle
        Michelle says:

        Male bodies should go to the men’s restrooms or changing area. Female bodies should go to the women’s restrooms or changing areas. Simple.

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        • swrl
          swrl says:

          Which I’m sure will start happening once bodies detach themselves from human consciousness and move independently.

          In all seriousness, you’re trying to apply a “simple” solution to a concept (gender) that is far more complex than that. “Sex” is far more complex than that. Even just genitals exist on a spectrum!
          And what exactly is it that qualifies genitals (I assume that’s what you mean when you say “male/female bodies,” though with all the other sex characteristics that exist I may be wrong) to be the ultimate determinant of which room someone goes to? Is there something inherent in a vagina, for example, that makes it unsuitable to be in the same room (not even out in the open, 99.9% of the time) as a bunch of people with penises in a men’s locker room, even with everything else (gendered appearance, physique) held equal?

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          • SMH
            SMH says:

            Yes, every species will have spectrum of genetic expression of biological traits. However, nature doesn’t carve out survival exceptions for every variation because that is incredibly inefficient. Sex is not that complex. Humans are a bisexually reproductive species. Sperm plus egg equals new DNA (i.e. baby). That’s just science. Carving out policy exceptions for every possible variant of sexual expression creates unnecessary complexity and puts dubious legal restraints on free thought and expression.

            I have a relative in his 50s who just “discovered” he was transgendered after a tough life with many fractured and painful relationships with women, some of whom were abusive. He has now decided to date men. I work in the medical profession and I have seen this pattern over and over again with women (and now, I guess, transgender men) who only relate sexually to the “safe” sex after abusive relationships. I think, for some, being lesbian or transgender is a coping mechanism.

    • Amy
      Amy says:

      You are right that middle school locker rooms are already uncomfortable for teens. Let’s address that issue and offer private stalls? No one should be forced to u dress in front of anyone else.

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    • Cindy
      Cindy says:

      I totally agree with you. I don’t think teens should be forced to undress in front of people with differing anatomy. Being a teen is awkward already. I also believe that if this is going to be a mandate, then ALL liberties must be considered. Meaning that the state should shell out funds to businesses and schools to put in single stall family restrooms and changing areas.

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  19. kotoc
    kotoc says:

    If a man wants to be a woman and “accepted” into a woman’s dressing room, locker room or restroom, they had better get a sex change operation. If you’re born with a penis, you are male… deal with it. Most women don’t want to see it, and you are being very offensive. If you are a person with a vagina and breasts, trying to be male, just TRY to “fit in” with the guys in a men’s locker room, rest room, etc. You will become the center of attention real quick. This is real life, folks…. DEAL with it! If you are a guy who likes to wear women’s clothes, do so in the privacy of your own home… don’t force society to see your perversion and deviant behavior.

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    • KELLY
      KELLY says:

      EXACTLY!!! This is opening a whole new portal to MORE crime! Perverts that arnt even interested in being the oposit sex are going to act like they are so the can go into places they dont belong! This pisses me off so bad!!!!!!!

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  20. Shareef
    Shareef says:

    This article was a very biased outline of the policies, but that doesn’t undermine the fact that very real negatives are brought on by this law. At my local YMCA, three boys in the past year have been molested by those of the same sex. I’m almost certain it was the same “man”, who dresses as a woman and chooses whichever bathroom and locker room “he” wants. Some days it’s the men’s room, some days it is the women’s room. This ruling allows those that wish to cause harm to do so while vigilant people have to bite their tongue. Instead of questioning why a man is in a women’s locker room shower, in which women and girls are at their most vulnerable, it has to be accepted as a civil right with a blind eye turned to it. Obviously sexual abuse will continue to be an issue regardless, but I think this law will significantly increase incidents. I’m all for equal rights for everyone, but when providing a right to a minority of people whom actually benefit from it significantly increases the opportunity for the harming of anyone, it’s not right.

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    • Andrea
      Andrea says:

      You Shareef are full of ****. While you are “ALMOST” certain that a trans person molested children. It is not fact. Truth be told, it is cis gender people who molest children. There is no documented case of a transgender person sexually abusing a woman, a teenager or a child anywhere in the world. It does not happen. You are spreading lies against an entire group of people because of your own fear. The facts are that you do not change your gender over night. It takes years for these women and men to effectively change their gender. So any argument made about a man deciding to wear women’s clothes for a day to gain access to a bathroom is ludicrous. I can honestly say that I have never met a trans person that was as sexual as a cis gendered person. You people are sick and disgusting. Your preoccupation with sexuality is dangerous and should be stopped. As a transsexual myself, women should be in fear that their husbands aren’t being sought after. Its not women that the majority of us are attracted to, and in my experience there are plenty of straight cis gendered men who want a little piece of me. Personally, I avoid women’s bathrooms and locker rooms, because I am ashamed of my “deformities”, and am fearful of what my body looks like to others. One further point, being raped by an assistant pastor in a men’s bathroom is not the most pleasant experience in a persons life. So I can confidently say, you cis gendered people are exponentially more dangerous than any trans person you will ever meet. You people are broken.

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      • j
        j says:

        A TW allowed acces to a womens refuge sexually assaulted 2 women, a TW raped his wife, a TW that ran TERF tracker that doxxed women raped a child, there are many cases of TW perving on, abusing, raping and killing

        Got to Gender Trender and look up the many cases if you doubt me
        Stats show violence is committed at the same by TW as non TW…not all TW are violent of course but neither are all males yet we have separate toilets, change rooms etc to prevent the risk to females

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  21. Edward
    Edward says:

    “However, once a man begins to undress in the women’s locker room a person who “expresses concern or discomfort…should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility.””

    I think what the author is referring to is not a man undressing in the women’s dressing room, but a woman with a penis undressing in the women’s room.

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    • David Adams
      David Adams says:

      Washington State has been over-run by LGBT’s and other confused people. Instead of standing up to these people, folk just backed down. The result is that the voice is now stifled and drowned out by the LGBT community who are now the elected voice of the people. Everyone knows that Seattle and Tacoma drive the elections for the state. A twisted example of how it is when evil prevails when good men say or do nothing. The entire concept really bothers me especially when Christians are persecuted for speaking Truth and going against these people. Folks, we are really in trouble. Maybe that 9.5 earthquake will wipe Seattle Tacoma off the map…. I would not be surprised if God showed them He is still in control. It is okay to be angry for my reference to God but too bad. God is keeping the record and will sort things out. That’s scary ‘cuz God isn’t intimidated by corrupt lawmakers, LGBT’s or others that are perverse.

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        • CJ
          CJ says:

          We are the ones rebelling against a holy and perfect God. Do not think he approves of sin. He wants us to repent and turn to him and love others like He loves us. He IS all powerful, but you would claim in a heartbeat that you have “free will” if someone told you that you should obey Gods command to do something you didn’t want to.

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        • Teresa
          Teresa says:

          This is not God doing this! This is people, who are free to make choices good or bad. People are sinful and have wicked wants and desires (if we don’t control them). God loved us so much that he gave us this free-will so when we choose to serve him it is out of love. He does not force us to love him nor to obey. Do not blame the consequences of sin on God!

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      • Kathleen
        Kathleen says:

        Interesting. I would like to know how you are so certain of what is the “Truth” and why you think God would show anything other love and acceptance for ANY of God’s children.

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        • Teresa
          Teresa says:

          His Word (bible) is truth. God also gets angry, there are instances in the Bible that explains though. He says “Be ye angry and sin not” It is not wrong to be angry or to compensate someone for the actions. God IS love and He is also holy. “Vengenance is mine saith the Lord”

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        • John Turner
          John Turner says:

          Personally, I don’t hate anyone. I love my LGBT brothers and sisters. Their sin is no better or worse than mine. But that doesn’t mean I have to support them in their acts, and especially that I shouldn’t have to join them in their delusion. My grandmother was schizophrenic. She thought the doors talked to her. In response, I didn’t join her in conversation with the doors. Or ask the government to insist that anyone who didn’t talk to the doors be fined. We took her to get help for her mental illness. This is no different. These people are sick, and they need help.

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        • Teresa
          Teresa says:

          Unfortunately people confuse christians hating (or being opposed to) a particular act that we hate the person. Not so!

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      • Brian Moore
        Brian Moore says:

        David Adams – your skewed views and intolerance is surpassed only by your poor grammar and hypocritical “Christian” values. LGBT people are no more confused or perverse than you or anyone else – we are just regular people. Your faith teaches you to believe in the existence of an invisible omnipotent being whose words, conveniently only heard by and written down by “special” men – you expect everyone else to believe and accept all of that to be the “Truth”? Use empathy – imagine absolutely knowing you’re one thing on the inside, but the outside doesn’t match. Imagine the constant inner struggle to conform, knowing it’s not right and that you aren’t being true to yourself. That’s what certain people go through everyday of their lives. Being able to use the restroom (or washroom if you’re in Canada) that lines up with not only who you are on the inside, but also matches up with you on the outside, is one little tiny step towards humanity. It is MY belief that humans are all dependant and responsible to each each, not some mystic being conjured up by well meaning ancient people to explain the world as they knew it, and to control everyone else through fear of damnation.

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        • Bethany
          Bethany says:

          Brian, I am so glad that you have stood up for and explained your feelings so well. I think people forget that you are still just as much a person as anyone else and that you truly do not feel yourself as you are. I look up to people like you and only wish that I could have the confidence to be myself, always. I was blessed enough to be a woman inside and out but I try every day to understand the struggle that you face. I also want to say though that I am a Christian as well. I understand that many have very biased views and dislike those who do not agree with them or see the Bible as “the truth”. I want you to know though that not all Christians are that way. It is not my place to condemn you nor is it my place to say that you are wrong or any less than me. You are equal. I understand that you do not believe in God and I don’t blame you, but from what I have experienced is that he would never send an earthquake to take out Seattle. He is loving. I am not trying to change your mind, but just as I am open and understanding of you, I ask that you do the same for me. Even those who may be arrogant to the truth.

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        • Posh Nobby
          Posh Nobby says:

          Brian I understand what you are saying and my gay friends, male and female aren’t the problem. I know no transgendered personally. But they aren’t the problem. It is the mentally deranged who will use this law to exploit and target victims. I am talking about pedophiles of both sexes and rapists. I have no problem sharing a facility with a gay man if he IS gay, but how does one know immediately if he is really gay or a sicko pretending to be. I believe in a superior power/creator, but I believe a little differently to many churchgoers, and “Live and Let Live” is a good philosophy.

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        • bsj968
          bsj968 says:

          Seriously, so for you to feel comfortable we have to make everyone else in that bathroom feel uncomfortable? Not only does it make women uncomfortable, it also allows men with nefarious intentions to take advantage of women / girls. Please listen to your argument – it makes absolutely no sense.

          If you feel uncomfortable using the mens bathroom, then hold it until you get home. Making others around you uncomfortable just because of the way you feel doesn’t make it ok.

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        • Tlaw
          Tlaw says:

          It isn’t out of fear, it’s out of love. The same love God has for us! The same love He had for you when He made you and if you would just put your trust in Him He would direct you and guid you. Only the devil brings confusion and hate. God is a God of peace. You are in my prayers!

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    • Robyn
      Robyn says:

      In many places (our local movie theaters and shopping malls) there are already “family” bathrooms between the men and women’s, so that dads can assist their daughters and mothers can assist their sons. These “neutral” bathrooms were provided so that different sex parents could protect and help their own young children of different sex without exposing their own child to adults of the opposite sex. It’s a simple solution that has been dealt with already. Make these neutral bathrooms more accessible and anyone can use them. Including the transgender women who still have a penis on their body! Even if they identify as a female they are still able to expose the body part that made society CHOOSE to segregate bathrooms in the first place.

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    • Luke
      Luke says:

      If you seer any person with a penis, regardless of what that person “claims to be”, that person is a man. There is no such thing as a “woman with a penis”, unless that male organ was added by a surgeon. However, that person is still a woman, masquerading as a man

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    • Jo
      Jo says:

      How about any female being assaulted in their female only bathroom. It’s not about Transgender, it’s about giving opportunity to those who sit around thinking up ways to follow their victims into the lady’s room. Want to talk about feeling uncomfortable in your own sex?? Get raped in the women’s room and then let’s see how you feel about having to wonder every time you see a man in womens clothing, if you will stand outside waiting for that individual to come back out. And even if or when they do, will they come in after you enter? Like I said, have the experience of being brutally raped by this already used ruse.

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  22. Melissa
    Melissa says:

    I find this all very hard to believe! I am a mother of Four children three of them are girls. I wouldn’t want them to be exposed to a man or boy in the place that she should feel safe to change. I am outraged that these law makers are making these unbelievable changes for a small percent of the population. People in this country fought for my rights or those of my children as well. There is no reason why I should be violated in this way. This world is a unsafe place to live in, and this group is just making it even more unsafe.
    This law is so ridiculous!!!!!! People should use the bathroom or locker room for the body parts that they have. If they have a problem with that then they should be the one to find a different place not everyone else!!! GOD HELP US ALL WITH THE WAY THIS WORLD IS GOING!!!!!!!!! I can’t have my own beliefs or speak them because of people like this. I can’t do anything to someone who verbally abuses me constantly but these people can sue me because I have no way of knowing what sex they are. Something is wrong with this picture…..

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    • Kathleen
      Kathleen says:

      Really? You can’t have your own beliefs and speak them? You seem to be doing so quite easily here. Before anyone starts getting all caught up in freedom of speech issues, each person should do two things:
      1. Read the actual text, not someone’s biased interpretation of the text.
      2. Talk to a transgender person. It might open your heart up to God’s love.

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      • Robyn
        Robyn says:

        I don’t think that this issue has anything to do with loving or not loving a transgender person. It has to do with the fact that by pressing the issue to be accepted to go wherever they want, it opens the doors for predators looking for easy prey.
        Have you had a son or daughter molested by a grown man in a bathroom? I have had a child that was. Perhaps if the transgender people would graciously accept that they make others uncomfortable, and that by demanding their way they have caused our already unsafe communities to be even more dangerous, that they would use a neutral “family” bathroom or use the bathroom that their actual body parts are.

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        • Jo
          Jo says:

          Thank you Robyn. How about any female being assaulted in their female only bathroom. It’s not about Transgender, it’s about giving opportunity to those who sit around thinking up ways to follow their victims into the lady’s room. Want to talk about feeling uncomfortable in your own sex?? Get raped in the women’s room and then let’s see how you feel about having to wonder ever time you see a min in womens clothes if you will stand outside waiting for that individual to come back out. And even if or when they do, will they come in after you enter. Like I said, have the experience of being brutally raped by this already used ruse.

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    • Heather
      Heather says:

      I 100% agree I am a gay women but I do not agree with these new laws I have 5 kids 2 little girls I don’t want them to see male parts they don’t get to see there brothers I get ppl feel like their in the wrong body fine use the family one I wish ppl would stop being so jug mental or treating to sue please God help us help this world were destroyin it god is going to wipe us out an start over

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      • ?????
        ????? says:

        It is. God is going to wipe away everything after the 7 years of Judgement, it is coming really soon. after the 7 years there God’s people (Including me) will live in Heaven for 10,000 years. God will wipe the earth and we will live forever.

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        • ?????
          ????? says:

          Sorry, I mean before the 7 years there’s the rapture which will take all of God’s people and bring them (including me) to Heaven.

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  23. Jenny
    Jenny says:

    To our leaders and law makers in this state of Washington.. can we not focus on the real issues facing our state, country, and world for that matter! Come on! Bathroom issues, really. This is just opening the doors to more serious problems and by that I mean safety issues for men, women and children alike. Leave well enough alone!

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  24. SS
    SS says:

    I think Kellie was alluding to a very realistic point that retailers may find themselves challenged in: how do you as a point of sale clerk question someone’s identity as a point of fraud prevention (checks, credit cards, Identity theft, etc) when it is illegal to ask questions about their gender? Illegal to question the identification on their ID that indicates an opposite gender than is presented before you? It’s not just about nondiscriminatory language, it goes beyond that. It has real impact on the way business is conducted every day. There must be a middle ground to compromise that will protect rights and minimize the extremes in asking legitimate questions.

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  25. mw sherwin
    mw sherwin says:

    just a quick question….. how does this effect me in a public place, such as a restaurant, or some other business?

    can i stand guard over the womans restroom door while my grand daughters , daughter, or wife are inside….. and i choose to prohibit any man from entering while they are in there?

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  26. Theresa
    Theresa says:

    How is this NOT a form of child abuse???? Humanity shames me more everyday. YES .. live and let live. When laws take my parental rights away to protect my children/grandchildren …well I guess all I can say is I am a proud supporter of the 2nd ammendment and anyone …straight,gay,transgender,bi…or whatever, that harms children should be given a lesson in what the right to bear arms can REALLY mean

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  27. Greg
    Greg says:

    The WORLD is TRULY UPSIDE DOWN!
    It is apparent with this new policy in Washington that the powers that be are not concerned with all the people, only those who are transgendered. Biological women, who believe they are men, can use the men’s bathroom; and biological men, who believe they are women, can use the women’s bathroom. This policy does not take into account the feelings of the boys or men, who are men and use the men’s bathroom; or women who are girls, who use the women’s bathroom. A common sense solution would be to have some bathrooms that are unisex for the “transgender’s” to use. The Washington state legislature need to correct this misguided rule made by unelected ideologues.

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    • Angelpeter
      Angelpeter says:

      Not only the bathrooms…. but worse the changing rooms / locker rooms. It is hard enough for some people walking through with people of the same sex. Now they say that anyone with any anatomy can just walk in and strip down. This law seems to be written that they can’t even be questioned about being in there. This is literally skimming the edge of sexual abuse.

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      • Steph A
        Steph A says:

        The schools had better change their policies to:
        1) Allow students to skip the post P.E. shower if they choose to.
        2) Allow time for every student to change in a private stall. Which will hardly be feasible given how long that would take if everyone chose to do that. Which is why I encourage all parents to tell their kids to demand this option. 🙂

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  28. Bill
    Bill says:

    In section 3 above, the rule bans lots of speech, you should make clear that this applies solely in the workplace. You should also make clear that this is the same as all other anti harassment laws that exist in the workplace and you follow every day…this section is nothing new…and why would you say things like that in the workplace unless you are an moron, anyway (the same with sexually harassing comments in the workplace…you’re a moron to do so). You can be fired for making these comments, but its the employer who is going to get sued.

    Yes, the restroom and locker room issues are extremely troubling, but the loss of free speech…not so much.

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    • Joseph Backholm
      Joseph Backholm says:

      Bill, there are some similarities to other rules prohibiting harassment in the workplace. But these new rules are more expansive. Legal liability for saying “he” instead of “she” is a new idea.

      In addition, the fact that it applies to school is also complicating. It appears that a school could be liable because if students or teachers refuse to refer to a boy as a “she” even if they are otherwise kind and respectful. Presumably, this would create an environment in which students could be punished for the same.

      Pointing out that the emperor has no clothes should not be illegal.

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      • Kathleen
        Kathleen says:

        I want to clarify that it is Bill’s comment that I am agreeing with. Also, I am a teacher. I have students that change their name every week. Using a different pronoun is nothing, and if I insist on not using the preferred pronoun I am guilty of not addressing the student’s needs. I don’t forsee people being litigious unless it becomes a true conscious issue. At that point it would truly be a harassment issue.

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  29. kelsey
    kelsey says:

    Although i don’t agree with impeding on people’s right to free speech i just wanted too say that i served our military in korea where many businesses have same sex bathrooms. I , being a female ,have washed my hands with in inches of a man peeing. The problem is our societies maturity level. But im geussing most of the people in here start praying over public breast feeding.

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    • Amber
      Amber says:

      I believe there is more to it than this. Aside from the ‘maturity’ of us adults, what about young children? I have very young girls. I would like the right of a parent to protect their young eyes from seeing a grown man naked or using the bathroom. I’d rather it not be in a bathroom washing their hands. In the same vein, with sexual predators, child trafficking, and child pornography rampid in our country… The fact that a predator could easily claim to identify as a female and follow my child into the restroom is terrifying as a parent. Not saying this in a hateful way. Just bringing up a different aspect of this issue.

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      • rjbrown
        rjbrown says:

        It’s a little hard not to “sexualize” a man being allowed to whip out his penis in front of a little girl he doesn’t even know just because he “feels” like being a woman today. Just because perversion is legal in your country, that doesn’t make it okay or good.

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  30. Michelle
    Michelle says:

    Joseph….
    My question is this: where is the actual new rule posted? I’ve seen the proposed changes and the final draft that you have posted here. However, I went on the Washington State Legislature website and it has an old version … not even the right #? 162-30 with only 2 sections: 010 and 020? If this is legally binding, as my YMCA is telling us, then why isn’t it showing up on their website??
    And a most important question: Is FPI going to take this on in trying to get it overturned?? 🙂
    Thanks for all the work you do! It is much appreciated……

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    • Joseph Backholm
      Joseph Backholm says:

      Michelle, thank you for the question. This is a good one. Here is the response we received from Laura Lindstrand from the Human Rights Commission when we asked the same question.

      “The rules were filed with the Code Reviser’s Office on November 25. They took effect 31 days after that. The code Reviser’s office is the entity that will post the rules on the Internet as part of the WAC. I do not know when they will do that. We are currently working on constructing a new website. When we are online with that new website, it will link to all of our rules. I do not yet have a date for that – we are very short-staffed. ”

      The language we linked to as the “final rule” in this article is the language that was sent to us by the Washington State Code Reviser.

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      • Michelle
        Michelle says:

        Thank you for responding so quickly. I guess we’ll wait to see if it materializes. In the mean time, I’ll keep encouraging every one I know to call the hotline.

        Thank you for your video, too. You do a great job of spelling out clearly what is going on and how we can help to change a problem with the HRC’s obvious misunderstanding of what their role is.

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  31. NANCY
    NANCY says:

    This “rule” is meant to enact bondage on anyone who is moral and just or wants to exercise freedom of thought to protect one’s own personal safety. It is about the progressives/ ultra-liberals flexing their muscles to bully the rest of us and striving to force us to our knees in worship of narcissism, atheism, and chaos. I would surmise that it won’t be long before we cannot even be commenting on a website like this without risking a lawsuit or arrest. This is humanity at its worst. . . broken, depraved, and headed toward destruction. It is the result of men and women like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton who have become disciples of Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals, a book dedicated to Satan. Please pray for one another and for those who are standing up in government and in our courts to speak out for righteousness. And yes, pray too for those who have been deceived that there is no God.

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    • Sarah
      Sarah says:

      You are so correct in your statement…all these people here that have commented with their wise ass cracks…government and politicians are ALL corrupt and filthy…what do you expect??? For the people by the people???? And you go right on voting for these dirty people and putting them in office..wow …..they are the most perverted people on earth…the people that rule you are…so every perversion goes because they are perverts….I truly understand families protecting their children …animals protect their own also…

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  32. James
    James says:

    This isn’t true its a scam to get money. That’s why they asked for $5 or more. Geez people quit believing ever seen on Facebook or the Web

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  33. Dema
    Dema says:

    Seems to me all this law means is don’t ask rude questions/bully the person and don’t call the person names. Oh also, comparing transgendered women to perverted men is pretty hateful.

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    • nicole
      nicole says:

      The enactment of laws such as these make it so that perverted men can get away with things. Most of us do not care if a truly transgendered person shares a facility with us. If you read the details of the law above–it leaves room for huge abuse.

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      • ?????
        ????? says:

        I just lost all respect for obama, for taking away the most important privacy I have when I’m out of the house. (I think he’s Gay, or just doesn’t care)

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    • Joseph Backholm
      Joseph Backholm says:

      Dema, no comparison was made between transgendered women and perverted men. The hate you refer to does not exist. At least not here.

      This law undeniably makes it possible for men to invade the privacy of women and children by simply “identifying” as anything they want and gaining access to areas to areas in which women have always had an expectation of privacy.

      And anyone who would intervene on behalf of those who are at risk is now acting illegally.

      If you believe the loss of privacy for everyone is an acceptable cost to making trans-gendered individuals feel more comfortable, that’s certainly a position you are entitled to.

      However, the idea that the only reason someone would want to protect privacy and deny sexual predators obvious opportunities to access victims is because of hate cannot be taken seriously.

      I know your intentions are good, but this does much more than ask people not to ask rude questions and you know that. I think it is an insult to transgendered people to suggest the only way to make them happy in life is to force the entire world to sacrifice their privacy in all cases.

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      • Donna
        Donna says:

        Joseph, great commentary but one thing surprised me. In both the article and video you use the term “illegal” and in the video interchange “law” and “rule” at least a couple of times. It is clear you understand the difference – and that something cannot be illegal if it is not breaking a law – so please try to be more careful, for the sake of those who don’t understand the difference. Rules and laws are not the same thing.

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      • NANCY
        NANCY says:

        Sorry that my post came out in opposition to you, Joseph. I was meant for Dema. Even thought I clicked in reply to her comments, my post came out on the page as against you which I would never do.

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    • Clark Kent
      Clark Kent says:

      And who gets to decide what is ‘hateful’? You? The government? A lawyer? Ever hear of the right to freedom of speech?

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    • Kelli Burton
      Kelli Burton says:

      You should try being a cashier in a store and being embarrassed by a person who “identifies” as a woman but who chose to not dress or look like one that day and who hands you a check with a woman’s name on it. This happened to my daughter who already has anxiety issues. Thankfully the person was nice about it, but what about another time when they’re not? Now we have to be paranoid about every word that we speak in order to make sure some “confused” folks don’t get offended. I personally am already fed up with this bs. I can see a bigger mass exodus from the public schools coming. If we didn’t already homeschool we’d certainly be starting.

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      • kelsey
        kelsey says:

        Perhaps you are confused. Transgender as a matter of fact is not new. I have anxiety and have never had it worsened by a transgender costumer. You are entitled to your opinion but mine is that yours is sad and narrow mindex.

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    • scragsma
      scragsma says:

      Pretty naïve interpretation, Dema. Just a simple consideration of the facts (i.e., what the rule actually says) substantiates everything Backholm says.

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    • keshmeshi
      keshmeshi says:

      Some trans women are perverted men.. There are numerous pedophiles and rapists in the U.S. prison system as we speak demanding hormones and “women’s” clothes.

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  34. SemperFido
    SemperFido says:

    Isn’t it funny that Caitlyn Jenner was declared Woman of the Year? That just proves men do everything better than women… even being women.

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    • Julia lavonn
      Julia lavonn says:

      Caitlyn Jenner is not a woman. He’s a man who is messed up and confused about his gender who decided to try to look like a woman. He didn’t become one one. He is a disgrace and so are you. Women are a whole lot more than their outward appearance! Many of us Birth babies! Id like to see him go through 50-60 hours of labor! Many of us bust our butts taking care of our children when their well and sick being puked on and pooped on, and house work and laundry which is never ending! We go through many different hormonal changes in life. I think it’d be funny to see Caitlyn Jenner with menopause! I wonder how much he’ll love being a woman then with the constant heat flashes?! Labor would be funny too. There is so much more to being a woman than just looking like one.
      This new law is stupid. It leaves a lot of error for pedofiles and rapists to get their job done! I highly recommend woman getting a conceal carry permit!

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      • kelsey
        kelsey says:

        Not all women can have children and you are very spiteful. Some men take care of sick children. Besides i think this guy was being funny and succeeding until you went and took him to seriously

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        • Sarah
          Sarah says:

          She is not spiteful..it does not pay to give a comment these two people took your comment out of context …she’s not talking about real men dummies she’s talking about trans…get real…go eat something don’t talk out of your ears…she right..stupid a listen better..

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      • Amy B
        Amy B says:

        Wow, not all women can have babies, myself included. Most of the women I know who have had babies did not go through 50-60 hours of labor. My brother does a fine job of taking care of his child when he is sick puking and pooping everywhere. Many men do lots of never-ending household chores and laundry. You seem to be an incredibly spiteful and ignorant person if you believe men can’t do most of these things or that being capable of these things is what makes you a woman.

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    • jsbrodhead
      jsbrodhead says:

      In my opinion, each and every crime and invasion of privacy committed under this atrocity, must bring CHARGES AND LAWSUITS against these “HRC” creatures from HELL, which presume to dictate who we shall live and when we must cower!

      #IwillNOTcomply!

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        • Pam
          Pam says:

          Just wanted to say instead of it having to be one way or another why don’t we have new businesses opening and building provide a transgender bathroom as well as a female or male bathroom? Of course some businesses already in place may not be able to afford to build or haver the space to build a transgender bathroom-they could be grandfathered in and shown grace. But new businesses could get a help from federal government to build this extra bathroom for transgenders so there won’t be any more problem. Fed gov needs to suple funds for it though since they are requiring it be done. That is only fair to save businesses from the added expense in these difficult financial times.

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